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bigsilverhotdog
 Post subject: Future Pinball Table Version/Physics FAQ 1.0
 Post Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2013 2:36 pm 
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Future Pinball Table Version/Physics FAQ 1.0
by BigSilverHotdog


What are the different physics versions?

    - 1.0 is the original FP release. ONLY for use with tables designed for 1.0
    - 2.4 is a baseline physics profile designed ONLY for use with tables engineered for 2.4
    - 2.5 is a baseline physics profile designed ONLY for use with tables engineered for 2.5
    - 2.6 is a variant of 2.5 propagated by SLAMT1LT for use mainly with his tables. It is similar to 2.5 but has increased rubber bounce, ball weight, and changes the ratio of elastic coefficients between the primary material types. ONLY for use with tables designed for 2.6
    - 2.7 is a system of table balancing and physics improvements using BAM to autoload prepared table/XML packages. It requires BAM, and each table must be customized and prepared individually.
    - Zedonius/Zedpinball/Zed/etc is a system of table balancing and physics improvements using XML profiles that also requires separate Zedonius assets in a zip file along with the table. The table itself must also be extensively modified and balanced for play. See the Zed forum for details.



Do I need to pick one version and stick with it?
No! BAM (Better Arcade Mode, a loader for Future Pinball that also has many other amazing features) can automatically load any physics preset you want. You must simply set it up beforehand so that BAM can do the job automatically.


Can I use any physics version I want on any table I want?
Yes, but no. You can do it, but mix-and-match physics won't give you a good result. The table itself must be set up to work properly with the physics version you are using. This is a complex and difficult process. Experiment if you can't find good results, or put in a request for your favourite table to be balanced with 2.7 physics


How do I load different physics versions on different tables?
Use BAM to autoload whatever physics you want. The BAM website can tell you how to do this, but short version is that you simply take the physics .xml file you wish to use for that table, name it a name IDENTICAL to the table name (so example taxi2_0.fpt you'd rename your XML preset file to taxi2_0.xml) and then put the xml file in the \tables directory. The various versions of physics (1.0, 2.5, 2.6, Zed) can be found in \bam\XML. Physics 2.7 does not use a base version and is customized for every table.


There are 5 different versions of this table, how do I pick the right one?
Look for the latest version number, or for the build using the physics system you prefer.

For tables involving SLAMT1LT, his own ranking order is as follows: ultra, gold, platinum, VIP, ultimate


What are the most current and up-to-date physics for Future Pinball?
There is no straightforward answer to this question. It varies from table to table, and author to author. Always remember that unless a table was designed with a physics version in mind it won't work correctly with it, and even then some tables that state they were designed for a specific physics version will still have glaring problems within it.


I hate all this confusion and complexity. There is too many options, and too much to deal with. Why can't everything be packaged up in an easy 1-Click Install?
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Yes, nice summary of the current setups.

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 Post Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 5:43 am 
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Thats a clear explaining of the physics ;)

and i didn't knew you can change the name of the physics in the table name and load it,..

so tnx made you made my day cause some tables didn't play nice with some physics and now,... problem solved :D
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GeorgeH
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You might mention that SLAMT1LT has introduced a new version of physics that he calls version 2.7. It is different from the previous 2.7 as identified on pinsimdb.org. The previous 2.7 is more like custom physics because the physics settings are different for each table and each download of a table has an accompanying file that contains the physics. SLAMT1LT's new version has the same physics that he applies to all his new tables. You can get SLAMT1LT's new version on his new web site:

http://speak1970.wix.com/slamspinballemporium

...or you can get SLAMT1LT's new version right here. You can just copy and paste the following code into a Notepad file and save it as a file with an XML extension.

Code:
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?>
<document>
 
  <!-- Physics processing -->
  <!-- Note. Changing the FPS will effect how how all the other values interact with each other and should
  be a high value due to the fact the ball in a pinball is moving very fast and lower values will cause the ball
  to go into objects fractionally (thus we must sample at a higher rate)

  threaded (true/false) defines if the physics runs in a separate thread for multicore CPU's (dev version only)
  -->
  <physics fps="296" threaded="0"></physics>

  <!-- Settings for various objects -->
  <ball mass="35" gravity="5200.0" damping="0.66"></ball>

  <!-- moeMethod="0" Auto-calculate the moments of Inertia for the flipper using internal Newton functions -->
  <!-- moeMethod="1" Calculate the Flipper MOE based on a rectangle (changes aiming behaivour) -->
  <!-- Note: omega is rotational force -->
  <flipper mass="15000.0" omega="50.0" moeMethod="0"
           leftXoff="0" leftYoff="1500" leftZoff="0"
           rightXoff="0" rightYoff="1500" rightZoff="0"></flipper>

  <!-- impluse            The amount of power applied to the ball (normal setting)..
                          this is then scalled up or down to suit the strength setting
       impulseRandomness  Random Percentage (of impulse) added to impulse when the ball hits the object
       vectorRandomness   Random Angle change +/- value to ball direction
  -->
  <bumper    impulse="85.0" impulseRandomness="0" vectorRandomness="6"></bumper>
  <autoplunger mass="25000.0" force="60000.0"></autoplunger>
  <diverter    mass="10000.0" omega="33.0"></diverter>
  <gate    mass="2.0" gravity="4500.0" damping="0.25"></gate>
  <kicker    impulse="950.0" vukImpulse="1500.0" impulseRandomness="4" vectorRandomness="1"></kicker>
  <plunger    mass="20000.0" force="45000.0"></plunger>
  <slingshot    impulse="600.0" impulseRandomness="20" vectorRandomness="5"></slingshot>
  <spindisk    mass="10000.0" angularDamp="0.33" linearDamp="0.25"></spindisk>

  <!--
  <spinner    mass="100000.0" gravity="100000" angularDamp="0.5" angularAccel="5.25"
              spinDampLoose="0.22" spinBackLoose="1.8"
              spinDampNorm="0.325" spinBackNorm="2.7"
              spinDampTight="0.575" spinBackTight="3.2"></spinner>
  -->
  <spinner    mass="45.0" gravity="100.0" angularDamp="0.5" angularAccel="5.0"
              spinDampLoose="0.325" spinBackLoose="2.850"
              spinDampNorm="0.575"  spinBackNorm="3.250"
              spinDampTight="0.750" spinBackTight="3.500"></spinner>
  <emkicker    mass="99999.0" omega="80.0"></emkicker>
  <varitarget mass="100.0" damping="0.5" tension="3.0" return="15.0"></varitarget>
  <magnet    impulse="10.0" impulseRandomness="2"></magnet>

  <!-- Nugde Settings -->
  <nudge impulse="120.0" impulseRandomness="25.0" warningLevel="180" leftAngle="65" upAngle="0.0" rightAngle="295"
         vectorRandomness="4" visualDistance="2" waitPeriod="300" maxBallVelocity="1000.0"></nudge>

  <!-- Materials Settings -->

  <!-- Static coefficient
       - - - - - - - - - -
       Static friction is the force that holds back a stationary object up to the point that it
       just starts moving. Thus, the static coefficient of friction concerns the force restricting
       the movement of an object that is stationary on a relatively smooth, hard surface.

       Kinetic coefficient
       - - - - - - - - - -
       Once you overcome static friction, kinetic friction is the force holding back regular motion.
       This, kinetic fiction coefficient of friction concerns the force restricting the movement of
       an object that is sliding on a relatively smooth, hard surface.
       
       Both coefficients are based on material pairs (ie wood on wood, metal on wood) etc..

       In FP all the settings are for Ball on Wood/Plastic/Rubber/Metal etc..

       and from the Newton docs..
       staticFriction and kineticFriction must be positive values. kineticFriction must be lower or equal than
       staticFriction. It is recommended that staticFriction and kineticFriction be set to a value
       lower or equal to 1.0, however because some syntetic materials can have higher than one coeficient
       of friction Newton allows for the coeficient of friction to be as high as 2.0.

       For more information refer to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friction
  -->

  <!-- Default Materal Settings to act as defaults incase we forget to set an object during development. 
       There shouldn't be any objects set to this material so these are just a fail safe values -->
  <defaultMat softnessCoef="0.02" elasticCoef="0.1" staticFriction="0.02" kineticFriction="0.02"></defaultMat>

  <!-- Material Settings for surfaces marked as playfields -->
  <playfieldMat    softnessCoef="0.03" elasticCoef="0.1" staticFriction="0.01" kineticFriction="0.01"></playfieldMat>

  <!-- Primary Material Types -->
  <metalMat       softnessCoef="0.01" elasticCoef="0.20" staticFriction="0.02" kineticFriction="0.02"></metalMat>
  <plasticMat    softnessCoef="0.02" elasticCoef="0.30" staticFriction="0.05" kineticFriction="0.04"></plasticMat>
  <woodMat       softnessCoef="0.03" elasticCoef="0.35" staticFriction="0.07" kineticFriction="0.06"></woodMat>
  <rubberHardMat    softnessCoef="0.10" elasticCoef="0.65" staticFriction="0.20" kineticFriction="0.15"></rubberHardMat>
  <rubberIntMat    softnessCoef="0.15" elasticCoef="0.70" staticFriction="0.25" kineticFriction="0.20"></rubberIntMat>
  <rubberSoftMat    softnessCoef="0.20" elasticCoef="0.75" staticFriction="0.30" kineticFriction="0.25"></rubberSoftMat>

  <!-- Object Specific Material Settings -->
  <gateMat       softnessCoef="0.03" elasticCoef="0.60" staticFriction="0.00001" kineticFriction="0.00001"></gateMat>
  <kickerMat       softnessCoef="0.01" elasticCoef="0.05" staticFriction="0.80" kineticFriction="0.80"></kickerMat>
  <rampMat       softnessCoef="0.01" elasticCoef="0.01" staticFriction="0.01" kineticFriction="0.01"></rampMat>
  <plungerMat    softnessCoef="0.04" elasticCoef="0.40" staticFriction="0.02" kineticFriction="0.02"></plungerMat>
  <spindiskMat    softnessCoef="0.05" elasticCoef="0.50" staticFriction="1.50" kineticFriction="2.00"></spindiskMat>
 
</document>
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dazecutr
 Post subject: Re: Future Pinball Table Version/Physics FAQ 1.0
 Post Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2015 9:27 pm 
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Just got Ver. 1.9 and I don't seem to be able to edit much. The files are for
"FP" only. Do I need an Editor?
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GeorgeH
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dazecutr wrote:
Just got Ver. 1.9 and I don't seem to be able to edit much. The files are for
"FP" only. Do I need an Editor?


I'm not sure I understand what you are asking. When you open FP, you go to the screen displayed on the link below which is the editor:

http://www.futurepinball.com/images/MainEditor.jpg

Then you open a table as is shown in the image above. You can either edit the table with the options that are there or you push the "Play Table" button to play.
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GeorgeH
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What do you mean by activation limit?

OK you can delete this too.

George


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It was a spam, deleted ;)

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