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 Post subject: Re: PinKadia! The Ultimate virtual Pinball / Arcade / PC cab
 Post Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2016 11:41 pm 
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Yes you can still buy monitors that are 19 inch (which is what I had). The screens on most of them are not as nice s today's screens and TVs.

I would still have to re-do my bezel and tables, because of the way everything has to line up and be mounted... in order to line up exactly....unless I was able to get the EXACT same monitor. The way I had to mount the old monitor was absurd to say the least and a pain in the ass....mainly because of the lack of vesa mount holes, and the wierd pointy case it had....

This was something I wanted to do for the much nicer screen and colours anyway... it just involves ALOT of work....more after the hardware part is done.

170 Future Pinball tables....over 450 pinball tables in total....that's alot of media....


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 Post subject: Re: PinKadia! The Ultimate virtual Pinball / Arcade / PC cab
 Post Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2016 2:21 am 
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I guess I'd be concerned about the shape of the translite not matching the proportions of the 16x9 screen. I guess you can add black bars to the right and left sides of the monitor but I don't think I would want to do that. Actually, the proportions of most translites seems like they would fit best on a 4x3 monitor. But then I figure you must have a solution and I assume most widescreen monitors have better resolution.

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 Post subject: Re: PinKadia! The Ultimate virtual Pinball / Arcade / PC cab
 Post Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2016 10:48 am 
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This is my "middle" screen, not the "translite" screen. This is where my dmd and extra Future Pinball displays go. (Scores, SLAMT1LT movie clips, Overlays, etc.)

The aspect ratio will be fine. I just have to re-size all of my Future Pinball Overlay,etc from each table to fit, just like before.


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 Post subject: Re: PinKadia! The Ultimate virtual Pinball / Arcade / PC cab
 Post Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2016 4:46 pm 
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OK. I went back and looked at the way you built the table and realized that what looks like two display on the back board is actually one monitor that is masked off. I suppose you are not using FutureDMD to separate out the video to the third monitor but must be using something else.

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 Post subject: Re: PinKadia! The Ultimate virtual Pinball / Arcade / PC cab
 Post Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2016 5:10 pm 
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Future DMD takes up the bottom half of the middle / 3rd monitor. The top half of the middle monitor is the Backbox secondary screen of Future Pinball extended down onto the top half of the 3rd screen. (I configured the backbox screen to 1920x1600 in the registry) Look at my Windows screens layout to get a better understanding.


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 Post subject: Re: PinKadia! The Ultimate virtual Pinball / Arcade / PC cab
 Post Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2016 7:51 pm 
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Disaster strikes.... a new look emerges!


Dead middle screen:

OK....so my middle "dual" screen which was a 5:4 monitor died on me (after 10 years of service). I now needed to get a new middle screen, and I had to re-build my bezel and speaker arrangement to accommodate it.

I didn't want to bother with another 5:4 monitor, because they are all old now, and I wanted to have something that could easily be replaced in the future. I really wanted to keep the "dual" screen function and I didn't have anough room for both a real DMD and a small screen (of decent size) in the space I had. (and it would look silly with only a DMD in there with lots of unused space)

I decided to go with a 19 inch 16:9 TV. It fit nicely and was the widest I could go....the colours were really nice....it was only $80 CDN new...and unlike the previous monitor which was a bitch mount, this had a standard vesa mount. It also had 1:1 pixel mapping which made for a perfect crisp image.

After a bit of work, I was able to get to get it mounted in a way that could easily be adjusted in the future if I had to replaced this one. I now had a little bit of space above and below the TV since this is a widescreen monitor.


New Bezel, new function:

For the bezel, I now had a wider screen space, but that also meant that my speakers would have to be mounted to the farthest sides of the backbox. My "dual" screens would be closer together, and the top half a little bit smaller.

Since I had my RGB "flashers" inside my two speaker holes before and really liked how it worked, I wanted to still have that.... but I didn't like having 2 "flashers" within the same speaker hole. It would end up blending colours and not be distinctive enough. I wanted 4 separate "flashers".

I figured, since my left and right speakers each have 2 smaller speakers...then why not have 4 speaker holes in the bezel!


The RGB speaker holes!

Below is a 2 inch PVC coupler fitting (I think). I got one for each speaker. I cut a notch out at the bottom and put in a strip of RGB LEDs all around then inside....

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....then I cut the bezel out of thin backboard, and hot-glued a RGB LED speaker spacer at each hole (after putting on carbon fibre vinyl wrap and automotive car trim in each hole).

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....then I put speaker cloth on the back of each hole with an elastic band...

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....and voila! Let there be discrete 4 RGB "flasher" lights!

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Each speaker hole is now the Outer Left, Left, Right, Outer Right RGB flasher (center flasher is backbox backlighting). You'll notice that the LED matrix below has 5 shapes. These are actually the equivalent of the 5 RGB flashers that is displayed for this table. (the shapes can be anything, I was just testing) Notice they are matching in colour with the speaker holes.


Tables and media need to be re-done:

You'll have to excuse the squished Visual Pinball logo. Since all of my Pinball X "dual middle screen" media (which is one single picture or video) was created with a 5:4 ratio, it now all has to be re-done to look proper with a 16:9 ratio.

If Pinball X had a separate "default DMD video / picture" for each system, this would make my job much easier...

Future Pinball:

Future Pinball tables will all have to be re-edited again, to have all the elements (movie clips, scores, gadgets, etc) to fit the top of the middle screen. What you have seen in my Future Pinball videos in Pinball X for that section is not looping videos. Its all bits from actual gameplay within Future Pinball.

Here are some picture examples of Future Pinball with the new bezel:


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At first, I thought the 4 holes looked a little weird, but after seeing the lights in use, I love it! The only thing I hate is the fact that I couldn't get the chrome trim to make a perfect circle.

....and it sounds better too!


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 Post subject: Re: PinKadia! The Ultimate virtual Pinball / Arcade / PC cab
 Post Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2016 11:46 pm 
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It looks really nice although the LEDs in the speaker openings seem a little bright at least in the pictures.

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 Post subject: Re: PinKadia! The Ultimate virtual Pinball / Arcade / PC cab
 Post Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2016 12:02 am 
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The brightness can be adjusted through DOF software.

Also, they don't have to be on all the time. You can set them up for only flipper button pushes, etc... They are intended to "flash" after all...

Real pinball flashers are just as bright, and more in your face.


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 Post subject: Re: PinKadia! The Ultimate virtual Pinball / Arcade / PC cab
 Post Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2016 1:23 am 
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cool :)


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 Post subject: Re: PinKadia! The Ultimate virtual Pinball / Arcade / PC cab
 Post Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2016 1:21 am 
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After I finished my new middle "dual" screen and bezel setup, I wanted to setup just a few DMD screen media videos so I would have something that looked better than the squished images from my old setup.....and I wanted it for doing a video of gameplay for VP and the LED matrix.

It also occurred to me that alot of people don't actually understand what my setup is really like and how the media and middle screen setup actually works. Also, alot of people think Future Pinball just plays looped videos from Pinball X for example, which it doesn't.

I get alot of people asking me how I get the media for my middle screen, and how I got the "videos" from Future Pinball showing on FutureDMD (which it isn't), etc


So while making a quick video to show the new bezel and flashers, I thought I would show how I make my media for my middle screen, also how I setup Future Pinball to work with that.


So to answer a bunch of questions, here is a video demonstration of Part 1 of my NEW dual screen / Bezel setup, and media creation This one focuses on Visual Pinball:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDI17NL7DYM


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...and Part 2 focuses on Pinball FX2 and how to setup Future Pinball for a "dual" middle screen:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RA4TdXiU0h8


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....now with that out of the way.... on to getting some VP LED Matrix gameplay videos!.... unless something ELSE happens... :(


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